Season 4, Episode 5 – 07/25/2020

This is a big topic, and as such it makes for a longer episode. We apologize for the delay in getting it out to you and hope that you will find a lot of discussion worthy information.

On The Down Lola was so excited to welcome into the studio John Mcfly, Cornelius Hocker, and Joe Lewis to break down the Black Lives Matter movement and what exactly we are fighting for.

John Mcfly

Is not only the partner of Lola’s good Judy Thom Foolery, he is also a brilliant, funny, and wonderful friend. He is currently finishing his studies at Ball State University in social work and psychology. He serves with the U.S. armed forces and currently works as a Mental Health Technician for Riley Hospital. John has built his life around caring for others and is a vocal advocate for the rights of people of color and the LGBTQQIP2SAA communities. He is also a big fan of Lola’s.

Cornelius Hocker

Is an Indianapolis based journalist who met Lola while working on a story about a favorite Indy hotspot. He is a strong advocate for black queer and trans individuals. His travels in his work as a journalist give him a well rounded perspective on many topics. Try not to be surprised if he shows up on the podcast again.

Joe Lewis (Jo MaMa)

is a Chicago, IL based Drag entertainer and activist. Joe was the creator of the Drag March for Change that happened in Chicago on June 14, 2020. Other than being Lola’s MCM, Joe has worked hard to connect and network with the Chicago queens of color to spread the word of inequality, and inequity of both the black queer community and the black trans community.


Terms To Know


History of Black Oppression (Outside of Law Enforcement)

Center for American Progress

Police Brutality of People of Color

US National Library of Medicine/National Institute of Health

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LE Death (etimated 7,663 total: 2013-20193,3781,9441335112118

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